With fiscal cliff fears hitting a fevered pitch, I had the chance recently to sit down with Ken Fisher and query him on his views of this widespread investor concern.
Q: Will there be a fiscal cliff deal by yearend?
A: Can’t say. I can’t see into Mr. Boehner’s or Mr. Obama’s overtly
political hearts or minds and don’t want to. But if there’s no deal,
it’s not a crisis. The fiscal cliff is fake. A political invention,
arbitrarily put at January 1 because it was politically expedient in
2010 to stick it there. Now it’s politically expedient to push it past
the 2014 elections. Democrats have more to lose in 2014 than is commonly
perceived now and they’ll want to compromise.
Q: Is time running out?
A: No! The fiscal cliff which is really more of a fiscal rolling
plain has many moving parts that don’t hit all at once. Spending cuts
are already underway and will happen piecemeal, allegedly, over the
year. The higher taxes, many of them, aren’t due until April of 2014.
Maybe this impacts withholding levels if a deal is struck later—folks
have to adjust them then adjust back.
What could happen is Mr. Boehner and Mr. Obama say, “Now we declare
we have until February 28 to solve this issue.” They did the exact thing
before with the payroll tax—arbitrarily moving the arbitrary deadline
to buy time for a longer arbitrary can-kick. This is political. It’s
fake. They made the rules, they can and will change them.
Q: If there’s no deal, how do you think government spending cuts impact investors?
A: People make two errors here. First, they think growing government
spending is critical to a healthy economy. Wrong. Falling government
spending detracts from headline GDP numbers, but GDP doesn’t perfectly
reflect economic health. The private economy has been doing very well
since 2009—better than most realize. Profits are near all-time high.
Business spending is robust. Consumer spending is past the pre-recession
peak. Incomes are growing. It’s true unemployment remains high, which
no one wants. But unemployment lags economic growth, always. That
started sometime before the first recession Christ lived through.
The second error is they don’t bother checking data themselves. Total
government spending actually dropped a hair in 2012, and nothing
terrible happened. GDP wasn’t rip-roaring, but reaccelerated mid-year.
It was fine. In 2013, if you believe the plans, with the “cliff”
government spending actually drops less than it did in 2012 if nothing
changes. Starting in 2014 and forever after, government spending grows
as it always does. From a spending standpoint, we already went off the
fiscal molehill and it was fine. Not Armageddon.
Q: If current tax rates rise, what’s the market impact?
A: This is a case where the fear of the thing is so much bigger than the thing, it can’t be anything but bullish.
In the long history of income taxes in the US and overseas, there
have been a great many rate jiggers. Same is true on capital gains taxes
and every other form of tax imaginable. People simply do not want to
believe this, because it goes against something that seems
commonsensical. But there’s no clear pattern—zero—that when tax rates
rise, stocks do badly (or well). Or if taxes get cut, stocks must do
great. What’s clear to me from studying this is, whether you raise taxes
or cut them, stocks want to rise much more than fall and will do what
they were going to do anyway.
But to believe tax rates have a big darn impact on market direction
you have to ignore the many, many other more important things
simultaneously acting on stocks. And you have to ignore the 77% of
non-US global GDP. I don’t like higher taxes because I think the
government is a stupid spender of money. But I don’t fear the capital
markets impact from a marginal shift in tax rates in a single country.
Q: So how is that bullish?
A: When I see big fear of potential tax hikes like now, I know that’s
bullish. First, either the tax hikes don’t happen, or they’re not as
bad as feared. Anyone can see how if a feared tax hike doesn’t happen,
that’s a positive factor. But even if tax hikes happen as feared, vast
history tells me it doesn’t have to have the big bad impact folks fear.
And fear of a false factor is always bullish.
Spurce: Forbes
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